Hi,

Thank your for your post !

Lest start doing it step by step.

First of all please report the Firmware version you have installed on the PIco (OK. I red later that you have installed the latest one) but please report it to be sure

1. As I see you have some problems, I would suggest you to start with a ready image prepared by us, and then when you get some experience, move the the newest OS.

You can download it from here:

https://pimodules.com/firmware-updates

In the mean time I prepare an OS with the latest mentioned by you. 

I will upload it tomorrow, on the same page.

Please also find here below answers to your questions:

However whenever I connect my Li-Ion pack to the hat the device is jumping in a reboot loop. When I try to login by SSH, by the time I reach the prompt it reboots. Even with POGO disconnected (putting a sheet of paper in between.

When disconnecting the battery pack all works "fine".

The most possible reason is that your battery is absolutely discharged. Also have you decreased the speed of the I2C to much lower rate ? This is very important, due to I2C streaching bug, we are using software/hardware handler for I2C

dtparam=i2c1_baudrate=5000

Try 10000

Now, I think your problem is due to I2C.

Can you please report of you have any extra hardware on top ?

Tomorrow I release a new image, should help you

Best Regards

Pi Master

Do you mean an rasbian image on this link:

https://pimodules.com/firmware-updates

I have looked, but could not find any only firmware, status i2c etc. Am I missing something?

let me check, we have had for a long time a huge problem with spamming, and obligated to move the servers as also the forum. I check and upload if needed. In any case prepare an image for you/other tomorrow

BR Pi Master

On a fresh Rasbian Lite 64bit image (previously I had a 8gB which needed to be replaced anyway):

#raspberrypi:~/PiModules $ sudo python pico_i2c3.py
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/home/user/PiModules/pico_i2c3.py", line 13, in <module>
    import smbus
ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'smbus'

Then:

sudo apt install python3-smbus
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
The following additional packages will be installed:
  i2c-tools libi2c0 read-edid
Suggested packages:
  libi2c-dev
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  i2c-tools libi2c0 python3-smbus read-edid
0 upgraded, 4 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 116 kB of archives.
After this operation, 773 kB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n]
Get:1  http://deb.debian.org/debian  bookworm/main arm64 libi2c0 arm64 4.3-2+b3 [9,456 B]
Get:2  http://deb.debian.org/debian  bookworm/main arm64 i2c-tools arm64 4.3-2+b3 [78.6 kB]
Get:3  http://deb.debian.org/debian  bookworm/main arm64 python3-smbus arm64 4.3-2+b3 [11.8 kB]
Get:4  http://deb.debian.org/debian  bookworm/main arm64 read-edid arm64 3.0.2-1.1 [16.1 kB]
Fetched 116 kB in 0s (1,817 kB/s)
Selecting previously unselected package libi2c0:arm64.
(Reading database ... 56711 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to unpack .../libi2c0_4.3-2+b3_arm64.deb ...
Unpacking libi2c0:arm64 (4.3-2+b3) ...
Selecting previously unselected package i2c-tools.
Preparing to unpack .../i2c-tools_4.3-2+b3_arm64.deb ...
Unpacking i2c-tools (4.3-2+b3) ...
Selecting previously unselected package python3-smbus:arm64.
Preparing to unpack .../python3-smbus_4.3-2+b3_arm64.deb ...
Unpacking python3-smbus:arm64 (4.3-2+b3) ...
Selecting previously unselected package read-edid.
Preparing to unpack .../read-edid_3.0.2-1.1_arm64.deb ...
Unpacking read-edid (3.0.2-1.1) ...
Setting up libi2c0:arm64 (4.3-2+b3) ...
Setting up read-edid (3.0.2-1.1) ...
Setting up i2c-tools (4.3-2+b3) ...
Setting up python3-smbus:arm64 (4.3-2+b3) ...
Processing triggers for man-db (2.11.2-2) ...
Processing triggers for libc-bin (2.36-9+rpt2+deb12u9) ...

Then

sudo python pico_i2c3.py

No error while running this script.

Then systemctl script:

#raspberrypi:~/PiModules $ cat /lib/systemd/system/pico_i2c.service
[Unit]
Description=UPS PIco GPIO Free Raspberry Pi Interaction Service
After=multi-user.target
[Service]
Type=idle
ExecStart=/usr/bin/python /home/user/PiModules/pico_i2c3.py
StandardOutput=inherit
StandardError=inherit
Restart=always
[Install]
WantedBy=multi-user.target

Then the config.txt adjustment:

cat /boot/firmware/config.txt
# For more options and information see
#  http://rptl.io/configtxt 
# Some settings may impact device functionality. See link above for details

# Uncomment some or all of these to enable the optional hardware interfaces
dtparam=i2c_arm=on
#dtparam=i2s=on
#dtparam=spi=on

# Enable audio (loads snd_bcm2835)
dtparam=audio=on

# Additional overlays and parameters are documented
# /boot/firmware/overlays/README

# Automatically load overlays for detected cameras
camera_auto_detect=1

# Automatically load overlays for detected DSI displays
display_auto_detect=1

# Automatically load initramfs files, if found
auto_initramfs=1

# Enable DRM VC4 V3D driver
dtoverlay=vc4-kms-v3d
max_framebuffers=2

# Don't have the firmware create an initial video= setting in cmdline.txt.
# Use the kernel's default instead.
disable_fw_kms_setup=1

# Run in 64-bit mode
arm_64bit=1

# Disable compensation for displays with overscan
disable_overscan=1

# Run as fast as firmware / board allows
arm_boost=1

[cm4]
# Enable host mode on the 2711 built-in XHCI USB controller.
# This line should be removed if the legacy DWC2 controller is required
# (e.g. for USB device mode) or if USB support is not required.
otg_mode=1

[cm5]
dtoverlay=dwc2,dr_mode=host

[all]
enable_uart=1

[PICO]
# Added for PIco
enable_uart=1
dtoverlay=i2c-rtc,ds1307
dtparam=i2c_arm=on
dtparam=i2c1_baudrate=10000

RTC prep in modules file:

cat /etc/modules
# /etc/modules: kernel modules to load at boot time.
#
# This file contains the names of kernel modules that should be loaded
# at boot time, one per line. Lines beginning with "#" are ignored.
# Parameters can be specified after the module name.

i2c-dev
i2c-bcm2708
rtc-ds1307

In the manual we have the following text, but if you followed the instruction before this seems duplicate, so skipping:

3. Edit by running the following line
sudo nano /boot/config.txt
4. and add the following to this file:
enable_uart=1
dtoverlay=i2c-rtc,ds1307

In a fresh copy of Rasbian there is no rc.local therefore these steps cannot be executed:

5. Edit by running the following line
sudo nano /etc/rc.local
6. and add the following line before “exit 0”
sleep 4; hwclock -s &

Then adjusting hwclock-set:

cat  /lib/udev/hwclock-set
#!/bin/sh
# Reset the System Clock to UTC if the hardware clock from which it
# was copied by the kernel was in localtime.

dev=$1

#if [ -e /run/systemd/system ] ; then
#    exit 0
#fi

/sbin/hwclock --rtc=$dev --systz
/sbin/hwclock --rtc=$dev --hctosys

Date command (as rc.local is at boot)

#raspberrypi:/etc $ date
Wed 20 Nov 19:36:17 CET 2024

After a reboot, without the rc.local, which is just a script to set the PI clock from RTC anyway, so should not impact:

#raspberrypi:~ $ sudo hwclock -s
hwclock: Cannot access the Hardware Clock via any known method.
hwclock: Use the --verbose option to see the details of our search for an access method.

Then pulled power completely and restarted to see what it would do:

#raspberrypi:~ $ date
Wed 20 Nov 19:41:52 CET 2024
#raspberrypi:~ $ sudo hwclock -s
#raspberrypi:~ $ sudo hwclock -w
#raspberrypi:~ $ sudo hwclock -r
2024-11-20 19:43:41.374618+01:00

Oke, seems better now, now pico info:

#raspberrypi:~/PiModules $ sudo python pico_status1.4_hv4.0.py

  **********************************************
               UPS PIco HV4.0 Status
        Version 1.4   Relase Date 13.03.2024
       Compatible with Firmware 0x0168 and up
  *******************************************

  System Clock read from Date................: 2024-11-20 19:44:38
  System Clock read from HWCLOCK.............: 2024-11-20 19:44:37.573237+01:00
  UPS PIco RTC Registers direct read.........: 2024-11-20 18:44:39

  UPS PIco Firmware..........................: 0179
  UPS PIco Bootloader........................: 41
  UPS PIco PCB Version.......................: 54
  UPS PIco PCB Defaut Battery................: Battery LiPO 'L' 0x4C
  UPS PIco Set Battery.......................: Battery Li-Ion 'I'       0x49

  Raspberry Pi Core Temprature...............: 45 C
  Raspberry Pi Core Temprature read by PICo..: 45 C
  Embedded Fan Temp. Threshold...............: 45 C
  Embedded Fan Speed.........................: OFF % of Total RPM

  Powering Mode..............................: Cable POWERED
  Power Backup Set Mode......................: Battery Backup

  Battery Level..............................: 1.0 V
  Super Capacitor Level......................: 0.7 V
  EPR/PPoE Powering Level....................: 0.0 V
  RPi(USB) Powering Level....................: 4.8 V

  Running Time on Battery....................: 1 min
  Battery Charger Status.....................: ON
  Max Allowed Battery charging curent........: 0.12  A
  Max Allowed On Board SCAP charging curent..: 0.0  A

  Power Source(s) Cable checking timeout.....: 0.3 Seconds
  Restart on Hold time.......................: 00 Seconds
  FSSD Durtion...............................: 30 Seconds
  Firmware loop..............................: Healthy - Running Properly
  Still Alive Timer..........................: Timer Disabled
  Raspberry Pi OFF waiting time..............: 5 Minutes
  Magic Switch Funtionality..................: de-Activated

  UPS PIco HV4.0 RS232(s) Setup..............: RPI_RS232_OFF     PICO_RS232_OFF
  -12/+12 V RS232 Driver Connection..........: none
  RS232 PIco routing.........................: not implemented yet
  RS232(s) PIco sleep/wakeup data setup......: not implemented yet
  RS232(s) PIco sleep/wakeup data received...: not implemented yet

  Internal Relay State.......................: OFF
  User LED Green Activity....................: OFF
  User LED Blue Activity.....................: OFF
  Green LED mapping setup....................: none
  Blue LED mapping setup.....................: none

  A/D Converters Correction Factor...........: 00
  A/D Converter 0 ...........................: 0.0
  A/D Converter 1 ...........................: 0.0
  Opto Coupler/Digital Input Level...........: 0.0

  *******************************************
   Powered by PiModules with help from ChatGPT 4.0
  **********************************************

Seems to be working now as well, next step power down, connect the Li-Ion.

Result, endless reboot, not able to login. So till here it works. Now booting without battery pack to see if i2cget/set works:

fttemp max value is 64 is presume

When using

#raspberrypi:~/PiModules $ sudo i2cset -y 1 0x6b 0x13 100
#raspberrypi:~/PiModules $ sudo i2cget -y 1 0x6b 0x13
0x64

This seems to work as well, however the output in Pico Status is not translating the HEX value to decimal value:

#raspberrypi:~/PiModules $ sudo i2cset -y 1 0x6b 0x13 30
#raspberrypi:~/PiModules $ sudo i2cget -y 1 0x6b 0x13
0x1e

Output status info:

 Raspberry Pi Core Temprature...............: 47 C
  Raspberry Pi Core Temprature read by PICo..: 47 C
  Embedded Fan Temp. Threshold...............: 1e C
  Embedded Fan Speed.........................: ON % of Total RPM

With the command fan is disabled. So seems to be working, except a battery is not allowed.

sudo i2cset -y 1 0x6b 0x11 0x00

 Raspberry Pi Core Temprature...............: 43 C
  Raspberry Pi Core Temprature read by PICo..: 42 C
  Embedded Fan Temp. Threshold...............: 1e C
  Embedded Fan Speed.........................: OFF % of Total RPM

Will see if I can test the Li-ion batteries on charging tomorrow.

Will batteries be charged when RPI is off but power connected?

Open items:

- Get battery working

- Convert rc.local to systemd?

@sebas2024 

Until I test it myself can not confirm. Good until now, however I need 1-2 days to do everything, and be back to you

BR Pi Master

No worries, this morning I have put the 18650 in my MC3000 charger and they will do a CDC session.

After they will be fulland capacity confirmed (then we can rule out batteries too low as well.

MC3000 shows 3.4V as "base" Voltage this morning.

3V4 is too  low,  logically (if you not changed the battery type),  PIco will proceed with system shutdown

//////////////////////////////////////
// working on picocmd.var.battype
// setting up the low_bat_level level
//////////////////////////////////////                                       
void battype_selection(unsigned int8 battype)
{
// Batteries Definitions
//- Battery LiPO'L'0x4C
//- Battery Li-Ion'I'0x49
//- Battery LiFePO4'F'0x46
//- Battery NiMH'H'0x48
//- Battery SAL'A'0x41
//- Battery ISC'C'0x43//Internal Super Cap (100F)
//- Battery ESC'D'0x44//External Super Cap (300F-500F-800F)


//- Battery LiPO+SC'l'0x6C
//- Battery Li-Ion+SC'i'0x69
//- Battery LiFePO4+SC'f'0x66
//- Battery NiMH+SC'h'0x68
//- Battery SAL+SC'a'0x61
   switch(battype)
   {
      case 'L':
      case 'l':
//- Battery Set to LiPO "L"
         low_bat_level=BAT_3V40;
         break; 
      case 'I':
      case 'i':
//- Battery Li-Ion"I"
         low_bat_level=BAT_3V30;
         break;           
      case 'F':
      case 'f':
//- Battery LiFePO4"F"
         low_bat_level=BAT_2V80;
         //picocmd.var.low_bat=2;
         break;                 
      case 'H':
      case 'h':
//- Battery NiMH"H"
         low_bat_level=BAT_3V00;
         break;                 
      case 'A':
      case 'a':
//- Battery SAL"A"
         low_bat_level=BAT_3V20;
         break; 
      default:
//- Battery Set to LiPO "L"
         low_bat_level=BAT_3V40;  
         break;
   }
}  

@piadmin hmz, okay, well we wil test this afternoon when the cycle is finished. However this is quite odd as normally people purchase these batteries in a shop, the default power is like 3.4V (liIon), then everybody will have this problem. Is there not a way to charge and confirm in software when the batteries are ready to fulfill the UPS task?

Hope you get my point. As not everybody will have a LiIon charger at hand...

No one reported such problem until now, however next week we are releasing newer firmware, so add extra feature covering this, deep discharged battery. 

BR Pi Master

@piadmin Well, I can understand as I almost threw it horizontally against the wall 🤣 🤣 🤣 

But then I thought, it should be OK as I also read people really happy with it. But is is far from easy. And testing the voltage of the battery is also not for everyone (multi-meter or sophisticated charger).

As I said, no one reported such problem, otherwise I would be solved it. In any case next week, I will work on the firmware release newer firmware also for the new

M.2 – UPS and Power Management HAT 

So more or less similar firmware as micro controller is the same. Work the on both.

However it is really simple, I surprised you have had such problems

anyway, now we isolated 15K porn spammers from here so easy to support via forum
My Best Regards

Pi Master

So news from my sides, batteries are fully charged and tested.

Just installed and rebooted, was able to pull a status page:

#raspberrypi:~/PiModules $ sudo python pico_status1.4_hv4.0.py

  **********************************************
               UPS PIco HV4.0 Status
        Version 1.4   Relase Date 13.03.2024
       Compatible with Firmware 0x0168 and up
  *******************************************

  System Clock read from Date................: 2024-11-21 20:04:12
  System Clock read from HWCLOCK.............: 2024-11-21 20:04:12.185448+01:00
  UPS PIco RTC Registers direct read.........: 2024-11-21 19:04:13

  UPS PIco Firmware..........................: 0179
  UPS PIco Bootloader........................: 41
  UPS PIco PCB Version.......................: 54
  UPS PIco PCB Defaut Battery................: Battery LiPO 'L' 0x4C
  UPS PIco Set Battery.......................: Battery Li-Ion 'I'       0x49

  Raspberry Pi Core Temprature...............: 34 C
  Raspberry Pi Core Temprature read by PICo..: 34 C
  Embedded Fan Temp. Threshold...............: 45 C
  Embedded Fan Speed.........................: OFF % of Total RPM

  Powering Mode..............................: BAT/SCAP POWERED
  Power Backup Set Mode......................: Battery Backup

  Battery Level..............................: 4.0 V
  Super Capacitor Level......................: 3.6 V
  EPR/PPoE Powering Level....................: 0.0 V
  RPi(USB) Powering Level....................: 5.1 V

  Running Time on Battery....................: 1 min
  Battery Charger Status.....................: ON
  Max Allowed Battery charging curent........: 0.11  A
  Max Allowed On Board SCAP charging curent..: 0.0  A

  Power Source(s) Cable checking timeout.....: 0.3 Seconds
  Restart on Hold time.......................: 00 Seconds
  FSSD Durtion...............................: 30 Seconds
  Firmware loop..............................: Healthy - Running Properly
  Still Alive Timer..........................: Timer Disabled
  Raspberry Pi OFF waiting time..............: 5 Minutes
  Magic Switch Funtionality..................: de-Activated

  UPS PIco HV4.0 RS232(s) Setup..............: RPI_RS232_OFF     PICO_RS232_OFF
  -12/+12 V RS232 Driver Connection..........: none
  RS232 PIco routing.........................: not implemented yet
  RS232(s) PIco sleep/wakeup data setup......: not implemented yet
  RS232(s) PIco sleep/wakeup data received...: not implemented yet

  Internal Relay State.......................: OFF
  User LED Green Activity....................: OFF
  User LED Blue Activity.....................: OFF
  Green LED mapping setup....................: none
  Blue LED mapping setup.....................: none

  A/D Converters Correction Factor...........: 00
  A/D Converter 0 ...........................: 0.0
  A/D Converter 1 ...........................: 0.0
  Opto Coupler/Digital Input Level...........: 0.0

  **********************************************
   Powered by PiModules with help from ChatGPT 4.0

Straight after copying this text it rebooted. So... Not working.

Does not seem to be the reboot problem (after all).

Battery info:

date	21/11/2024
Battery slot	2
Battery type	LiIon
Operation mode	Refresh
Voltage(V)	4.2
Temperature(deg)	25℃
Capacity(mAH)	3376mAh
Total	Voltage(V) after refresh - 	4.2V

checking, back to you soon

I2C seems to be working fine

QUESTIONS:

1. do you have wit your set our small high current LiPO battery ?

2. what is the SYS LED doing ? The best would be to see video of running and restarting system with LEDs 

3. can you send me photo of the LEDs

ACTION:

Please remove whatever you on top and try again, I need to see the system only Raspberry Pi 4 and UPS PIco 

Kindly awaiting for your actions and answers